Discussion:
Anyione else having problems with 08440416672
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The Natural Philosopher
2003-12-15 11:49:40 UTC
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Since this morning my Cisco 800 manifestly refuses to connect.

Reverted to modem.

ISDN checks out OK, Cisco appears to be able to receive calls (but not
obviously do anything with them)but it doesn't even appear to make a
call attempt - just says 'failed' ...


Is the network borked? Or my cisco?
The Natural Philosopher
2003-12-15 16:22:12 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Since this morning my Cisco 800 manifestly refuses to connect.
Reverted to modem.
ISDN checks out OK, Cisco appears to be able to receive calls (but not
obviously do anything with them)but it doesn't even appear to make a
call attempt - just says 'failed' ...
Is the network borked? Or my cisco?
Well after a chat session with Demon, it appears that there is nothing
wrong with my kit, because I can connect to a variety of numbers, but
not 0844 0416672.

8 hours later, and no one can tell me why, or when it will be resolved...
The Natural Philosopher
2003-12-15 16:42:09 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Since this morning my Cisco 800 manifestly refuses to connect.
Reverted to modem.
ISDN checks out OK, Cisco appears to be able to receive calls (but not
obviously do anything with them)but it doesn't even appear to make a
call attempt - just says 'failed' ...
Is the network borked? Or my cisco?
Well after a chat session with Demon, it appears that there is nothing
wrong with my kit, because I can connect to a variety of numbers, but
not 0844 0416672.
8 hours later, and no one can tell me why, or when it will be resolved...
Further updates. Bt want to charge me 60p a minute for not telling me
why I can't access a surftime number...Great money spinner eh?

Anyone got OFTEL's number?
Dave Exton
2003-12-15 18:43:18 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Since this morning my Cisco 800 manifestly refuses to connect.
Reverted to modem.
ISDN checks out OK, Cisco appears to be able to receive calls (but not
obviously do anything with them)but it doesn't even appear to make a
call attempt - just says 'failed' ...
Is the network borked? Or my cisco?
Well after a chat session with Demon, it appears that there is nothing
wrong with my kit, because I can connect to a variety of numbers, but
not 0844 0416672.
8 hours later, and no one can tell me why, or when it will be resolved...
Further updates. Bt want to charge me 60p a minute for not telling me
why I can't access a surftime number...Great money spinner eh?
Anyone got OFTEL's number?
I've had no problems with 08440 416 672, either yesterday or today.
However I only use it weekends and evenings.

Regards, Dave
The Natural Philosopher
2003-12-15 19:18:42 UTC
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Post by Dave Exton
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Since this morning my Cisco 800 manifestly refuses to connect.
Reverted to modem.
ISDN checks out OK, Cisco appears to be able to receive calls (but not
obviously do anything with them)but it doesn't even appear to make a
call attempt - just says 'failed' ...
Is the network borked? Or my cisco?
Well after a chat session with Demon, it appears that there is nothing
wrong with my kit, because I can connect to a variety of numbers, but
not 0844 0416672.
8 hours later, and no one can tell me why, or when it will be resolved...
Further updates. Bt want to charge me 60p a minute for not telling me
why I can't access a surftime number...Great money spinner eh?
Anyone got OFTEL's number?
I've had no problems with 08440 416 672, either yesterday or today.
However I only use it weekends and evenings.
Regards, Dave
I am still borked out on it.

Demon aren't available, BT want to charge me to talk to me.
Back to the modem...

PS I am in Suffolk, Haverhill area (01440)
SimonM
2003-12-15 21:14:10 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Since this morning my Cisco 800 manifestly refuses to connect.
Reverted to modem.
ISDN checks out OK, Cisco appears to be able to receive calls (but
not obviously do anything with them)but it doesn't even appear to
make a call attempt - just says 'failed' ...
Is the network borked? Or my cisco?
Well after a chat session with Demon, it appears that there is nothing
wrong with my kit, because I can connect to a variety of numbers, but
not 0844 0416672.
8 hours later, and no one can tell me why, or when it will be resolved...
Further updates. Bt want to charge me 60p a minute for not telling me
why I can't access a surftime number...Great money spinner eh?
Anyone got OFTEL's number?
Reported at 18:15 and still nothing on status at 21:10.... Come on
Demon......

FWIW it was discribed as a probable regional issue and I was asked if I
lived near Cambridgeshire - uh uh - next one over - Suffolk.
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Dave {Reply Address in.sig}
2003-12-15 22:27:36 UTC
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Post by SimonM
Reported at 18:15 and still nothing on status at 21:10.... Come on
Demon......
FWIW it was discribed as a probable regional issue and I was asked if I
lived near Cambridgeshire - uh uh - next one over - Suffolk.
I'm on 01954 and it's fine here. The link has been up since 23:42 last
night, which is when I rebooted the router after breaking (and fixing) its
config.

Dave
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http://www.llondel.org/
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The Natural Philosopher
2003-12-15 23:29:48 UTC
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Post by Dave {Reply Address in.sig}
Post by SimonM
Reported at 18:15 and still nothing on status at 21:10.... Come on
Demon......
FWIW it was discribed as a probable regional issue and I was asked if I
lived near Cambridgeshire - uh uh - next one over - Suffolk.
I'm on 01954 and it's fine here. The link has been up since 23:42 last
night, which is when I rebooted the router after breaking (and fixing) its
config.
Well you are a couple of exchanges over then. Crafts Hill eh? Bloody
Cottenham I'll be bound....I am ob Haverhill routings, which probably
use Essex transits to london.
Post by Dave {Reply Address in.sig}
Dave
The Natural Philosopher
2003-12-15 23:25:44 UTC
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Post by SimonM
FWIW it was discribed as a probable regional issue and I was asked if I
lived near Cambridgeshire - uh uh - next one over - Suffolk.
So thats me and you in Suffolk, and wossisname in Essex.
Bob { Goddard }
2003-12-15 21:17:48 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Since this morning my Cisco 800 manifestly refuses to connect.
Reverted to modem.
ISDN checks out OK, Cisco appears to be able to receive calls (but not
obviously do anything with them)but it doesn't even appear to make a
call attempt - just says 'failed' ...
Is the network borked? Or my cisco?
Well after a chat session with Demon, it appears that there is nothing
wrong with my kit, because I can connect to a variety of numbers, but
not 0844 0416672.
8 hours later, and no one can tell me why, or when it will be resolved...
This isn't anything to do with compression is it?


B
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http://www.ibrox.demon.co.uk/
The Natural Philosopher
2003-12-15 23:28:11 UTC
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Post by Bob { Goddard }
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Since this morning my Cisco 800 manifestly refuses to connect.
Reverted to modem.
ISDN checks out OK, Cisco appears to be able to receive calls (but not
obviously do anything with them)but it doesn't even appear to make a
call attempt - just says 'failed' ...
Is the network borked? Or my cisco?
Well after a chat session with Demon, it appears that there is nothing
wrong with my kit, because I can connect to a variety of numbers, but
not 0844 0416672.
8 hours later, and no one can tell me why, or when it will be resolved...
This isn't anything to do with compression is it?
No. Its a simple case of I call you, and you, or something masquerading
as you, hangs up on me.

Not even a foot in the door, let alone a handshake or protocol exchange.

Bit like the Germans and the Poles really.

I suspect BT has insufficient pee(r)ing capacity, and is using the get
out clause in its fine print to piss on other ISPs' customers.
Post by Bob { Goddard }
B
Martin Saltiel
2003-12-16 01:16:05 UTC
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Post by Bob { Goddard }
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Since this morning my Cisco 800 manifestly refuses to connect.
Reverted to modem.
ISDN checks out OK, Cisco appears to be able to receive calls (but not
obviously do anything with them)but it doesn't even appear to make a
call attempt - just says 'failed' ...
Is the network borked? Or my cisco?
Well after a chat session with Demon, it appears that there is nothing
wrong with my kit, because I can connect to a variety of numbers, but
not 0844 0416672.
8 hours later, and no one can tell me why, or when it will be resolved...
This isn't anything to do with compression is it?
B
Well in my Cisco log it says "Cause 63 Bearer error" or something close.
--
Martin Saltiel

These computers will never catch on...
Martin Saltiel
2003-12-16 01:13:15 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Since this morning my Cisco 800 manifestly refuses to connect.
Reverted to modem.
ISDN checks out OK, Cisco appears to be able to receive calls (but not
obviously do anything with them)but it doesn't even appear to make a
call attempt - just says 'failed' ...
Is the network borked? Or my cisco?
Well after a chat session with Demon, it appears that there is nothing
wrong with my kit, because I can connect to a variety of numbers, but
not 0844 0416672.
8 hours later, and no one can tell me why, or when it will be resolved...
Yep same here, I actually got booted (I was connected) to 0416672 at
about 3 am monday morning. Phoned!!! the helldesk today and was told yes
there is a problem.

Premier connect (eve +weekend) from 01787.
--
Martin Saltiel

These computers will never catch on...
Bob Williams
2003-12-15 21:04:40 UTC
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In message "Anyione else having problems with 08440416672"
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Since this morning my Cisco 800 manifestly refuses to connect.
Reverted to modem.
ISDN checks out OK, Cisco appears to be able to receive calls (but
not obviously do anything with them)but it doesn't even appear to
make a call attempt - just says 'failed' ...
Is the network borked? Or my cisco?
Well after a chat session with Demon, it appears that there is nothing
wrong with my kit, because I can connect to a variety of numbers, but
not 0844 0416672.
8 hours later, and no one can tell me why, or when it will be resolved...
Well, I don't have any trouble with the g5 number, but the g4 number
0844 099 6662 is the one that's stopped working for me. I changed from
BT to Sainsburys Homephone about 3 weeks ago, but for the past few days
Digital Dot has been telling me 'Calls to this number are barred'. I'm
not convinced it's a Demon problem, but both telcos blame each other or
someone else!
--
Bob
Obviously, the truth is what's so
Not so obviously, it's also so what
%junkmail.calm (Tom Warner)
2003-12-15 17:29:45 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Is the network borked? Or my cisco?
I haven't been able to use it (08440416672) since Sunday night.

Until I read your post, I was thought it was my kit. Now I realise that
in trying to test it, I'd misconfigured my set up and so was getting
inconsistent results.

Since straightening out my FU's, the PCP line is the one I can't connect
on.

Trying to connect from 01799 584xxx

Please keep us posted as to your progress.

TIA
Tom
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The Natural Philosopher
2003-12-15 19:20:23 UTC
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Post by %junkmail.calm (Tom Warner)
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Is the network borked? Or my cisco?
I haven't been able to use it (08440416672) since Sunday night.
Ditto.
Post by %junkmail.calm (Tom Warner)
Until I read your post, I was thought it was my kit. Now I realise that
in trying to test it, I'd misconfigured my set up and so was getting
inconsistent results.
Since straightening out my FU's, the PCP line is the one I can't connect
on.
Trying to connect from 01799 584xxx
Please keep us posted as to your progress.
I think there is some kind of interconnect problem inside BT for east
anglia-> Energis at the ISDN level.

I've seen this kind of bollocks before once, when NTL had not got
sufficient capacity to do 64K handoevr to Energis.
Post by %junkmail.calm (Tom Warner)
TIA
Tom
%junkmail.calm (Tom Warner)
2003-12-16 00:56:13 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
I think there is some kind of interconnect problem inside BT for east
anglia-> Energis at the ISDN level.
I'm getting through OK on 0844 0996672 and the 0845 numbers on ISDN
(including MLPPP) so it seems to be just 0844 0416672
Post by The Natural Philosopher
I've seen this kind of bollocks before once, when NTL had not got
sufficient capacity to do 64K handoevr to Energis.
From what I've read in these groups before, there are sometimes problems
in different geographical locations that are to do with the interface of
BT/Thus where the Surftime connects are drawn off.

Or sumpthin...

All the best,
Tom
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
2003-12-16 19:38:10 UTC
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Post by %junkmail.calm (Tom Warner)
From what I've read in these groups before, there are sometimes problems
in different geographical locations that are to do with the interface of
BT/Thus where the Surftime connects are drawn off.
See <http://www.dsl.co.uk/surftime/datafill.html> and other pages off
there (particularly resources.html).
--
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"We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would. Yet we are
untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them".
George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919
Dave {Reply Address in.sig}
2003-12-15 20:42:41 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Since this morning my Cisco 800 manifestly refuses to connect.
Reverted to modem.
ISDN checks out OK, Cisco appears to be able to receive calls (but not
obviously do anything with them)but it doesn't even appear to make a
call attempt - just says 'failed' ...
Is the network borked? Or my cisco?
It's been fine here, I suspect it's a telco problem confined to an area if
others have also been having problems.

Dave
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mail: da ***@llondel.org (without the space)
http://www.llondel.org/
So many gadgets, so little time...
John Brine
2003-12-15 22:04:32 UTC
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I reported the problem with the above number on Sunday evening 16:15 hours
and three times since every time being given a different answer, Several
people I know also have the same problem and are unable to connect on this
number, Demon have still not placed any information on their status line or
website. You can still not access their service on this number now 22:05.

It is not your hardware.

It is now starting to annoy me.

John
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Since this morning my Cisco 800 manifestly refuses to connect.
Reverted to modem.
ISDN checks out OK, Cisco appears to be able to receive calls (but not
obviously do anything with them)but it doesn't even appear to make a
call attempt - just says 'failed' ...
Is the network borked? Or my cisco?
Malcolm Muir
2003-12-16 09:30:46 UTC
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Post by John Brine
I reported the problem with the above number on Sunday evening 16:15 hours
and three times since every time being given a different answer, Several
people I know also have the same problem and are unable to connect on this
number, Demon have still not placed any information on their status line or
website. You can still not access their service on this number now 22:05.
It is not your hardware.
It is now starting to annoy me.
This sounds like a problem with your (and the others similarly
affected) telephone service provider and their interconnect. As far as
can be determined only a small area of the country is affected, it is
not a fault here at Demon (yes I know this is little comfort to
those affected).

This must be reported by you to your telephone service provider and
they are required by OFTEL (OFCOM) to log this fault and investigate.

The recipient of the calls (Demon) can not log this fault with your
service provider.

This is the only way to get the problem resolved and is as laid down
by the regulator. It is not a case of Demon not helping, but being
unable to help.
--
Malcolm S. Muir D e m o n
Sunderland 322 Regents Park Road
England London N3 2QQ
The Natural Philosopher
2003-12-16 10:03:26 UTC
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Post by Malcolm Muir
Post by John Brine
I reported the problem with the above number on Sunday evening 16:15 hours
and three times since every time being given a different answer, Several
people I know also have the same problem and are unable to connect on this
number, Demon have still not placed any information on their status line or
website. You can still not access their service on this number now 22:05.
It is not your hardware.
It is now starting to annoy me.
This sounds like a problem with your (and the others similarly
affected) telephone service provider and their interconnect. As far as
can be determined only a small area of the country is affected, it is
not a fault here at Demon (yes I know this is little comfort to
those affected).
This must be reported by you to your telephone service provider and
they are required by OFTEL (OFCOM) to log this fault and investigate.
The recipient of the calls (Demon) can not log this fault with your
service provider.
This is the only way to get the problem resolved and is as laid down
by the regulator. It is not a case of Demon not helping, but being
unable to help.
Ah, but BT say the circuits are FINE. They say its a SURFTIME problem.
Surftime (BT Openworld) only have a PREMIUM RATE support number.

What I need is OFTELS number becuase this is clearly a situation in
which BT are faiing on the job of handing off to another telco, and
refusing to acknowledge the problem as a BT (main) problem, and then
wanting to CHARGE the customer to even REPORT the fault to Surftime.

Meanwhile, my expensive surftime anytime ISDN s completely valueless.
%junkmail.calm (Tom Warner)
2003-12-16 10:39:17 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Meanwhile, my expensive surftime anytime ISDN s completely valueless.
A very small woohoo... as it seems to be back for me connecting from
01799 584xxx.

All the best,
Tom
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David G. Bell
2003-12-16 11:17:00 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Malcolm Muir
Post by John Brine
I reported the problem with the above number on Sunday evening 16:15 hours
and three times since every time being given a different answer, Several
people I know also have the same problem and are unable to connect on this
number, Demon have still not placed any information on their status line or
website. You can still not access their service on this number now 22:05.
It is not your hardware.
It is now starting to annoy me.
This sounds like a problem with your (and the others similarly
affected) telephone service provider and their interconnect. As far as
can be determined only a small area of the country is affected, it is
not a fault here at Demon (yes I know this is little comfort to
those affected).
This must be reported by you to your telephone service provider and
they are required by OFTEL (OFCOM) to log this fault and investigate.
The recipient of the calls (Demon) can not log this fault with your
service provider.
This is the only way to get the problem resolved and is as laid down
by the regulator. It is not a case of Demon not helping, but being
unable to help.
Ah, but BT say the circuits are FINE. They say its a SURFTIME problem.
Surftime (BT Openworld) only have a PREMIUM RATE support number.
What I need is OFTELS number becuase this is clearly a situation in
which BT are faiing on the job of handing off to another telco, and
refusing to acknowledge the problem as a BT (main) problem, and then
wanting to CHARGE the customer to even REPORT the fault to Surftime.
Meanwhile, my expensive surftime anytime ISDN s completely valueless.
It seems likely that BT staff are confusing the Surftime brandname sold
by BT Openworld with the Surftime call discount sold by BT, and the g4
and g5 charging categories. Me, I can never remember which Demon number
is g4 and which g5, so I'd dig into my demon.announce archive and check.

Call BT, stay polite, and be very insistent, especially if they try to
fob you off onto BT Openworld. Have your bill to hand, so you can
precisely describe what you are charged for.

Make sure you get full names of any BT staff you speak to.

Stay polite. If you're prepared on the details, you can tell the person
who answers that you feel they are unfamiliar with the particular
service you are using (very likely true), and would prefer to speak with
a supervisor.

This Surftime confusion seems to be quite common. It's not your fault
that the front-line staff appear to be inadequately informed, or BT made
such a confusing marketing decision on names, and it's not the fault of
the call-centre staff. And, even with a menu to pick from on a
computer, it's not impossible that they're just getting the wrong
Surftime (which is why terms such as g4 and g5, and the precise wording
on your bill can make a big difference).
--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"History shows that the Singularity started when Tim Berners-Lee
was bitten by a radioactive spider."
Malcolm Muir
2003-12-16 11:39:26 UTC
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[Snip]
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Malcolm Muir
This must be reported by you to your telephone service provider and
they are required by OFTEL (OFCOM) to log this fault and investigate.
The recipient of the calls (Demon) can not log this fault with your
service provider.
This is the only way to get the problem resolved and is as laid down
by the regulator. It is not a case of Demon not helping, but being
unable to help.
Ah, but BT say the circuits are FINE. They say its a SURFTIME problem.
Surftime (BT Openworld) only have a PREMIUM RATE support number.
Surftime access numbers have no connection with BT Openworld. Do not
get involved with the Surftime issue. You are calling a valid
telephone number and BT are unable to connect you. This is a fault and
BT (Assuming you are a BT customer for calls) are responsible for
connecting you, or logging a fault with your telephone service if you
are unable to so connect.

Thanks to a couple of customers there is some information at
http://www.dsl.co.uk/surftime/ that may be of some help to you,
particularly http://www.dsl.co.uk/surftime/resources.html
--
Malcolm S. Muir D e m o n
Sunderland 322 Regents Park Road
England London N3 2QQ
Martin Saltiel
2003-12-16 18:50:32 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:04:32 -0000, John Brine
Post by John Brine
I reported the problem with the above number on Sunday evening 16:15 hours
and three times since every time being given a different answer, Several
people I know also have the same problem and are unable to connect on this
number, Demon have still not placed any information on their status line or
website. You can still not access their service on this number now 22:05.
It is not your hardware.
It is now starting to annoy me.
This sounds like a problem with your (and the others similarly
affected) telephone service provider and their interconnect. As far as
can be determined only a small area of the country is affected, it is
not a fault here at Demon (yes I know this is little comfort to
those affected).
This must be reported by you to your telephone service provider and
they are required by OFTEL (OFCOM) to log this fault and investigate.
The recipient of the calls (Demon) can not log this fault with your
service provider.
This is the only way to get the problem resolved and is as laid down
by the regulator. It is not a case of Demon not helping, but being
unable to help.
Ah, but BT say the circuits are FINE. They say its a SURFTIME problem.
Surftime (BT Openworld) only have a PREMIUM RATE support number.
What I need is OFTELS number becuase this is clearly a situation in
which BT are faiing on the job of handing off to another telco, and
refusing to acknowledge the problem as a BT (main) problem, and then
wanting to CHARGE the customer to even REPORT the fault to Surftime.
Meanwhile, my expensive surftime anytime ISDN s completely valueless.
Yes, mine is working now.
--
Martin Saltiel

These computers will never catch on...
Rex M F Smith
2003-12-16 23:53:46 UTC
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In message <***@b.c>, The Natural Philosopher <***@b.c>
writes
Post by The Natural Philosopher
What I need is OFTELS number
50 Ludgate Hill
London
EC4M 7JJ

Tel: 020 7634 8700
Fax: 020 7634 8845

http://www.oftel.gov.uk/contact/index.htm


OfCom will supersede from 29th

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/

Office of Communications
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The Natural Philosopher
2003-12-17 08:54:44 UTC
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Post by Rex M F Smith
Post by The Natural Philosopher
What I need is OFTELS number
50 Ludgate Hill
London
EC4M 7JJ
Tel: 020 7634 8700
Fax: 020 7634 8845
http://www.oftel.gov.uk/contact/index.htm
OfCom will supersede from 29th
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/
Office of Communications
Riverside House
2A Southwark Bridge Road
London SE1 9HA
Telephone: +44 (0)20 7981 3000
Fax: +44 (0)20 7981 3333
Thank you.

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